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Re: Спортни разпределителни валове SWIATEK и Catcams

Post by ape20ff » 02/10/2011, 23:22

Swiatek 1343?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sport-Nockenwell ... 35b3640264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1343-всм. 39*/64* - 283*; изп. 79*/24* - 283* височина на гърбицата 7,0мм ?



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Post by RADI_1990 » 11/09/2012, 15:45

Здравейте,
искам да попитам няколко неща:
1) Линка за каталога в началото на темата не работи от фирмата ли си е или само на мен неми се отваря?
2) съществува ли сайт който да е полски еквивалент на този http://www.fiat500sport.com/engine-assembly.html в смисъл да е по "евтин" :)


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Post by DeYaN » 30/09/2012, 16:20

Ето :arrow: актуалните координати на Швянтек.

Полски еквивалент на тоя сайт няма, но западни - колкото щеш :P При поляците едно към гьотури, ако си намериш нещо.


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Post by ape20ff » 29/03/2019, 19:45

Hello.
What's the news?
Catcams catalogue for 500-126.
I-2cyl-0.6L-4v-OHV--FT-FT--126-500.pdf
I rember a camshaft for turbo but I couldn't find anymore. Now I found it at the link spotted by Deyan,I didn't know and visit the web page at co.uk.
Swiatek catalogue for 126.
fiat126pPl.pdf
There are more camshats on their shop,the old "114" and "385" diagrams look different...
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Post by ape20ff » 29/03/2019, 21:46

Hello.
Maybe I'm wrong about the camshaft for turbo,I can't understand what they mean.
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Camshafts from Swiatek's.
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There are 11 different camshafts if we don't cosider "E" and "N".
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Max 9 files for every post,right?
Now It takes the translation, is there anybody for an help,please?
The last one duration is 363°,possible?
It takes a technical help too.
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Post by ape20ff » 30/03/2019, 21:07

Hello.
I'm sorry not to have found another catalogue before, it's one of 2011.
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The old 114 and 385 instructions.
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They are from those web page:

http://91.226.146.182/www/wal_rozrz.htm

http://sobot.piwko.pl/walki.html

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Post by DeYaN » 31/03/2019, 13:52

Hi, mate! Thanks for your update. Unfortunately no turbo nor compressor camshafts here... The closest to turbo is the standard one and for compressor the 650E, comparing to special camshafts of other cars, but still too much overlap...

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Post by ape20ff » 31/03/2019, 21:43

Hi.
Not at all. Thank you too.
I had a confusion because the word turbo.
I didn't know that the 650E camshaft is suitable for supercharging by a compressor.
I'm still watching at the graphic, calkowita moc oporow.
Do they mean the power to reach a speed?
So the max speed for a 114 is less than 120km/h and for a 385 is less than 130km/h?
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Post by DeYaN » 02/04/2019, 00:32

Hi,

They mean that the 114 can reach max power at 5500rpm, that is 120km/h and the 385 at 6000rpm or 130. If I remember well it is about 30 and 35hp.Of course all this depends on the additional modifications.

About the forced induction cams it is only my opinion. Check this out!

The standard 126 cam:

26/57 - 66/17 - (263°), overlap 43°, lift 6,2mm

Panda 30 same but 5° delayed 21/62 - 61/22, so it gets the max hp in higher rpm 5500 instead of 4500 for 126.

Now!

Renault 5 GT Turbo standard camshaft 14/66-54/26 (260°, overlap 40°),

Kent Cams for GT Turbo:

RT200--- 20/64-64/20 (264°, overlap 40°) - works effectively between 3000-7000rpm. Lift 6,83mm

Sounds familiar!? :-)

The more aggressive cams come with overlap of 10° to 30°. Same for the Fiat Uno Turbo but there are many different phases.

For 650E the suitable for compressor thing is that the intake duration is shorter and the exhaust one longer: int. 18°30"/53°30" - 252°; ex. 72°/24° - 276°, lift 6,812mm. It is just a guess, but I suppose that is the closest to perfect for amateur mods. According to the specialists the difference between the phases needs to be at least 10% and the overlap maximum of 30°. We have the ratio about right, but the overlap is ... 42°. This means that unburned mixture will escape through the exhaust value or the back pressure will spoil the charging. They say that the lobe separation angles of between 112 to 116 degrees are ideal and ours is 111, so it is worth trying.

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Post by ape20ff » 05/04/2019, 21:11

Hello.
Thank you.
I don't know if the comparison between 126 and Panda 30 diagram can be done because a different intake and carburator.
I think it's told the same on Swiatek forum, advanced for torque and delayed for power.
I read some years ago about "beans",the translator said that...
Then I understood that they mean this:
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Maybe it's because the new shape of the holes to make the timing kit adjustable remind beans.
I found a camshaft manual but I can read the file,I don't know why,dimensions or line problem?
Sometimes I can read a page or two,nothing more.
That's the link:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/244195852/Va ... Max-Output

There's a 3-8-5 reguarding a red 126 in a magazine page.

http://kwa-kwa.pl/strona/polska-samocho ... -126p.html

There's a drawing about reshaped valves,I'm interesting in it.
Did you find any suggestion or a guide?
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Post by DeYaN » 06/04/2019, 01:13

Hi,

I still think that we can compare the graphics, because Panda 30 is designed to work in higher rpm band. Also the final gear is shorter (like in 500) in order to ease the engine and give its best revving.

Yeah, sure enough retarding the standard 650 camshaft by 5° won't kick these 24hp from 4500 to 5500rpm, but maybe to 4750, talking about a standard engine. The top effective rpm for 126 are 5500, that is proven by the fact that an engine in good shape can handle 120km/h, of course with less than 24hp. The last model with electronic ignition, fair wind, luck and a cliff, pushes to the limiter at 6000rpm and 130km/h.

I am not familiar with the valve reshaping and I find it reasonable only in racing applications.

Nice book! Thanks. Unfortunately the second link does not work at all.

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Post by ape20ff » 06/04/2019, 18:59

Hello.
Let's retry for the second link,I hope it'll work:

http://www.kwa-kwa.pl/strona/polska-sam ... -126p.html

My 126 looked quite fast too... 650E as by factory with 13" wheels from 127(the same size as Panda 30), approximately 110km/h on the clock without kick down the pedal, I never tried at whole open throttle,I was afraid to break.
I didn't understand how degreeing according Swiatek.
No "split overlap" bevause it must be 5° adavnced as the diagram.
There were 34-74 by Giannini and Abarth but I don't know nothing else for a comparison.
That's a 35-75.
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Did you measure your camshaft? Have you got a dial gauge?
I think 1,85 is the lift on the camshaft at the TDC,split overlap. What about 385 for a comparison?
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Post by ape20ff » 07/04/2019, 19:44

Hello.
I found it randomly.
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Standard camshaft,650E camsfaft and the third should be 27-73/67-33.
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